Johnny Allen
4:18 Mon Apr 16
Re: Hugill
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NICE TATTS! MUST BE GOOD!
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13 Brentford Rd
4:06 Mon Apr 16
Re: Hugill
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A child fan knew we needed another holding type mid even before Obiang got injured. They even had the hindsight of his injury coming well before the end of the window.
Carroll back now too so Hughil is even more pointless.
Of all Sullivan's IDIOTIC signings Hughil is the worst and most baffling.
Far from learning from their mistakes they go and make even bigger ones.
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camel-with-3-humps
3:28 Mon Apr 16
Re: Hugill
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Alex V
Anyone with a crumb of football knowledge can see he’s about as useful as a chocolate teapot.
His touch is simply atrocious for this level. The ball bounces off him uncontrollably and he turns like Stephen Hawking at a disco.
Shooting? He can’t decide whether to hit through the ball or pass it into the net.
Inept on every level barring enthusiasm - and even then he’s a headless chicken.
We bought Ashton for £7m, you could instantly see his finesse. Hugill? Should never have come to the Premier League but that fucking mug Sullivan just loves a punt.
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Sven Roeder
3:19 Mon Apr 16
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At the end of the day we gave an international player to Swansea to help them recover and spent half the money on someone who looks like he’d struggle to play for the Faroe Islands
Weakening your squad in January is usually what teams that know they are going down do (ie Hull last season).
Sullivan deserves to relegate this team with his boneheaded decisions
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Takashi Miike
3:10 Mon Apr 16
Re: Hugill
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thanks for the monologue, he's still crap
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13 Brentford Rd
3:08 Mon Apr 16
Re: Hugill
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Alex, the difference between those players is that they were mostly if not all younger and promising.players who were playing well..
I wouldn't call Hughil promising would you? If so then almost any lower league player can be considered as promising as arguably anyone can develop.
I feel that Sullivan was trying to sign a Vardy or Deli Ali so that he can be seen as a genius and make a big profit but hasn't actually got a clue about football. It was a punt.
Not sure what the fuck is going on at the club, because it's obvious to all that we needed a holding type Midfielder who would play now rather than another body upfront to make up the numbers who won't play.
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Alex V
2:50 Mon Apr 16
Re: Hugill
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El Scorchio 1:54 Mon Apr 16
I agree there are question marks over the decision-making around the transfer. Did anyone really want him? Was there much scouting, and of what quality? These are long-standing problems with recruitment.
On developing players, the trouble is if you confine development to only the youth there will be an enormous gulf between those players and the expensive veterans (of which I think all agree we've had too many). Cresswell, Lanzini, Kouyate, Obiang, Masuaku - all arrived in similar circumstances in that early-mid twenties age and with similar uncertainties as Hugill. I simply don't think we would have the success in 15/16 without that sort of Hugill-type player who were bought without certainty but came through and delivered at the right time with Payet. Noble imo needs guidance at 30 on how to adapt to his limitations. Players need developing at all ages - I think there's good evidence they don't get that at West Ham.
I also think too much is made of the £8-10m paid. The domestic market has at least doubled the cost of homegrown players in the last few years. It's really a low price for anyone of that age with any sort of record of reliable relative 'success' imo, particularly a forward, and actually might be a decent hedge against further price increases on domestic players to come. We will continue to need 8 homegrown players in the squad, and we're going to need significant extra investment in this area to achieve this with Collins and Carroll likely to be gone soon. It won't come cheap.
So I see Hugill as a solid if slightly uninspiring bet that we're unlikely to lose and if we do it won't hurt us. He might not be developed well or to the level that we require - we can sell for at worst a small loss with little major disruption. What constitutes success does not have to mean a world-class performer - if he can be an option we use some of the time it's very useful and potentially saves us the money we'd have to spend on another option for that role. Assuming his wage is relatively low it counter-balances the excessive wages handed out to the mercenary-types and helps us round out a 25-man squad.
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VirginiaHam
2:48 Mon Apr 16
Re: Hugill
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I feel sorry for the bloke; he's been used to make it look like we were willing o spend money in the transfer window.
Whether he's failed to make an impact is anyone's guess. He wasn't going to start ahead of Arnie and Chica no matter what.
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El Scorchio
1:54 Mon Apr 16
Re: Hugill
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Alex V 11:50
Actually about the development point, I did make an error in my post.
Of course we can have development projects, but not a 25 year old at a whopping 10 million quid.
Quina, Fernandez, Haksabanovic, Samuelsson are good development projects for us- still young enough to learn, and more importantly not making a sizeable hole in our transfer budget. When the owners are claiming there's no money, spending 10 million on a development project which almost certainly won't bear fruit is fucking idiotic. Certainly we need to look for young bargains like some of the above may turn out to be, but Hugill isn't either of those things.
I still disagree with the rest of your post though. I don't think they saw that much in him. He was a panic buy completely out of the blue at the end of the transfer window. There;s no way in hell Moyes went to Sullivan and said 'THAT'S the player I want this transfer window.' If that was the case, then he'd have played more than 22 minutes for us since arriving. I'd rather they'd kept the money to be honest.
There's quite a good piece in today's paper thread about Hugill and our transfers in general:
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'Sullivan appears to understand that he has to take a step back from a player recruitment process that has verged on shambolic. The mess West Ham made attempting to sign William Carvalho from Sporting Lisbon last summer was humiliating. They are not the only club to make amateur mistakes when trying to buy players. Liverpool were forced to apologise to Southampton for a hamfisted attempt to sign Vigil van Dijk last June. The difference is that Jurgen Klopp got his man as soon as the winter window opened. All West Ham did was kiss and make up with Sporting. The club intend to appoint a director of football in the summer to address problems like this but it will be a pointless role if the owners insist on interfering in deals. Moyes was unhappy with January’s transfer business. The only signing was Jordan Hugill from Preston North End on deadline day. It looked like a panic buy and the amount of playing time the striker has enjoyed – three appearances as a late substitute – suggest that Moyes was not exactly knocking on the boardroom door demanding the 25-year-old’s services.
There is a fair amount of talent in the West Ham squad but it looks like a group of players assembled on a series of whims. There is no obvious sign of a plan. A lack of strategy has defined the eight years since Gold and Sullivan acquired control.'
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Westham67
1:48 Mon Apr 16
Re: Hugill
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REALGSA 1:22 Mon Apr 16
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El Scorchio
1:46 Mon Apr 16
Re: Hugill
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Fletcher has also been loaned out by Boro to Sunderland.
Couldn't even get a game at Boro.
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Takashi Miike
1:35 Mon Apr 16
Re: Hugill
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i agree he's not a hasbeen, he's a never been
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Lee Trundle
1:25 Mon Apr 16
Re: Hugill
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Alex v - "I wanted to keep Fletcher"
Thank god we didn't. The £6.5m we got for him was daylight robbery.
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REALGSA
1:22 Mon Apr 16
Re: Hugill
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How can anyone say this was a panic buy...
Buying a has been or someone on big big money could be.
Or an injury prone player is....
But this is a Moyes signing?
The boy is hungry and willing to get his nut down and work hard. Give him the summer and play from there.
I would defiantly start him in some of the remaining games... Havn't even given him a chance yet.
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Rossal
1:10 Mon Apr 16
Re: Hugill
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One of the most baffling signings in recent years and thats saying something with the shit we've signed
Everyone called it when we signed him, his record in lower leagues is average at best and we suddenly thought he could notch in the prem
Flog in summer and move on he is never ever good enough for West Ham United
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Swiss.
1:04 Mon Apr 16
Re: Hugill
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Was disappointed he didn't bag a hat-trick when coming on late against Southampton.
He'll be our Kane and Vardy rolled into one.
People on on here jeezzz.
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simon.s
1:00 Mon Apr 16
Re: Hugill
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The gap between the PL and Championship in terms of quality is too big now.
A bloke at work is a Leeds fan, and was absolutely gutted to see Byram leave, saying he was by far and away their best player and that he’d be excellent for us. Snodgrass looks good in that division, but he was average at best for us.
No guarantee that the kid at Fulham will cut it at the top level, but some club will pay crazy money for him if they don’t come up.
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Darby_
12:47 Mon Apr 16
Re: Hugill
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Alex wanting to sell Arnie so we can buy more Hugills pretty much sums up his football knowledge.
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Bernie
12:46 Mon Apr 16
Re: Hugill
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He's practically 26 and has 45 goals in his entire career, all in lower league football.
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Your mum
12:31 Mon Apr 16
Re: Hugill
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Who is his agent? And how much did he & Sulli sky rocket off of this deal?
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Takashi Miike
11:56 Mon Apr 16
Re: Hugill
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the oracle is now comparing him to kane, hahaha
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